Making the Right Choices
In the previous article I published a list of points to be aware of when searching for or talking to a Thai ladyboy online. If you are serious in your pursuit of a ladyboy girlfriend you may have looked through lots of profiles by now. A pattern is probably emerging.
But what do you do when faced with the profile of a beautiful ladyboy who clearly fails one of the criteria that seem a minimum requirement for girlfriend status? Maybe she has tattoos? Maybe she has pictures of foreign men on her profile? (Alarm bells) Maybe she is an ‘out and out’ hooker?
Well, you will probably meet her anyway, wont you farang? Forgive me for talking to myself, you may be more sensible and cautious than me! Seriously, although I would urge caution, there are exceptions to every rule and by not meeting someone who seems likely to be a hooker you may pass over a truly wonderful person.
In general terms it is foolish to pursue a relationship with a prostitute even if your relationship is not that of customer but one of boyfriend (whatever that means in the world of prostitution) because of the inherent problems such a relationship is likely to confront you with.
It may seem hypocritical of me to advocate looking for a girlfriend who is not a hooker when in fact the two people with whom I have the most experience have been a full time hooker and an ex hooker. Annie was a hooker before I met her. This is no secret and was discussed in Ladyboys season one on Sky Living.
I would assert however, that my experience places me in the perfect position to suggest having a prostitute for a girlfriend is something that should be avoided.
Let me clarify. A ladyboy who is, or has been a whore may also become a girlfriend and you may live happily together ever after.
In my opinion, this depends on three things; time, space and opportunity.
Bitter experience taught me that a whore cannot be saved. It may appear that you have saved her but in fact what you have actually done is offer her a monthly stipend and improved lifestyle to PREVENT her from being a hooker.
That’s not love nor is it a relationship based on love.
I doubt that many foreigners meet a hooker in a bar or on the street and say, ‘If you stop being a whore I will be your boyfriend’.
How many whores would agree to that with without financial incentive? She will certainly need another source of income if she quits the bar scene but why should you provide it? Nobody in their right mind could expect her to live on air but should you ‘keep’ her?
If you are living here she could live with you and so benefit from a situation in which you provide food and accommodation if not an allowance . . .and then it all starts to sound a bit Victorian and tacky doesn’t it?
Sure, you may really be in love. That was certainly my experience; at least I believed that she loved me. I, however did not live with my first girlfriend, she had her own place. Life would have been unbearable had we lived together.
Part of the problem with dating in Thailand is that you may find yourself in a relationship and living together much too early in your relationship. Don’t do it as it may be a recipe for disaster. Making a considered decision to ask someone to move in with you is one thing. Not preventing a ladyboy from doing so, is quite another. If the ladyboy you are dating is poor and living with other ladyboys or alone the chances are that she will jump at the chance to live with you. Dissuade this. Only move her in at your own pace, not hers. Don’t be passive.
A Thai ladyboy will move herself into your apartment with little or no invitation
But, if you are still a visitor to Thailand, paying a whore a monthly stipend is like paying rent, buying love or placing a whore on retainer. Sooner or later that decision is likely to bite you in the ass. Why? Because she knows that you don’t want her to be a whore and that gives her far too much power over you and your economic welfare. Any demand she makes, if not addressed by you will find you face to face in a bedroom or in a digital facsimile of reality as she threatens to go ‘back to working’. I lived through that and even though it hurt like hell at the time I am glad that my, frankly, pathetic attempts to save a whore failed.
Of course, some people have succeeded and some prostitutes have become loving wives or girlfriends. It’s not that I believe all prostitutes are bad people but I speak from experience when I say that you cannot ‘save’ a whore.They don’t want to be saved. They want your money.
What needs to happen for a relationship with a whore to blossom and flourish is that you meet her at the confluence of time, space and opportunity when magical things can happen. Really. The problem you will have is recognising such a confluence without a divining rod, and I don’t mean the one in your pants!
In truth, I actually do believe that it’s possible for a hooker to turn her life completely around but she has to be ready to do so of her own accord. I don’t mean that she volunteers to stop being a whore when you decide to send her money every month but that she has decided to find different work altogether. I met Farida when she was out street-walking and broke the sensible rule of staying with her for only three days because I fell in love with her.
I wrote about this relationship in Bangkok Baby. I did all the things I suggest that YOU don’t do. She tortured me, not because she is a bad person but because she valued the money she made from whoring more than my love and support. The time was not right for her to quit whoring of her own accord. Like her, many whores do not want to stop because they want to earn as much money as possible or because they actually enjoy the lifestyle.
Don’t ask the impossible from a Thai Ladyboy. Give her time.
Another reason for choosing a good ladyboy as your girlfriend as opposed to a hooker is the toxic affect her working environment may have had on the latter. Most Thai people in normal jobs get up in the morning and go to work just like you do. They come home in the evening, have a social life if they can afford it and usually live with their parents until they are in a serious relationship or married. If they have come to Bangkok to work they may live alone or with a member of their extended family. Hookers do not live that kind of life and if your girlfriend used to be a hooker she will need time to adjust to normal waking and working hours. Hookers are like vampires; they sleep all day and stay awake all night. That is probably too sexy an analogy which is not useful in preparing you for the ghastly sight of a ladyboy with bad skin and no make-up blinking in the morning light that you have insisted she enjoy! She will need time to adjust to a life in the normal world and that can be difficult so she will need some help, patience and perhaps a judicious kick up the arse.
When you are living the life of a tourist; going out on the town every night and going to bed in the very early hours a hookers lifestyle will be simpatico with yours. But living here and holding down a job will mean you cannot sleep all day and you will not appreciate her doing this either, believe me! When you are tired after a day at work a hooker will just be waking up . . .this mismatch will not make for harmony unless you work nights! So she will need time to adjust to a more typical routine that matches yours.
Create the right space for your relationship to grow
The space must be right and by that I mean you need to move yourself and your lover away from the scene. With the best will in the world it will be difficult for either of you to succeed in a relationship when you are surrounded every day by hookers and bars. I could not do it. I could not resist the temptations being placed in front of me every day. It would be difficult for her to be faithful because quite often the friendships shared amongst ladyboy hookers is not real friendship at all but a form of passive, aggressive competitive rivalry and face-making. The ladyboys who don’t have a boyfriend will be constantly telling your girlfriend how lucky she is whilst undermining her at every turn by begging her for money, encouraging her to ask you for money, deriding her if she does not go along and encouraging her to smoke crystal meth. Misery loves company and she will struggle to make a new life for herself in Pattaya or near to the scene of her recent whoring activity.
Are you sure you want a REAL relationship or is it just a fantasy?
The opportunity of a real relationship must be there for her to see and aspire to, if indeed it is something she wants, but you cannot be the one that does all the work to provide that opportunity! I have heard of several foreigners who have been told they have to buy a ladyboy out of the bar she works at in order to become their girlfriend. This seems to only happen in relation to Thai owned bars. Sometimes the sum has been 20,000 baht and sometimes 30,000 baht and more. This is patently a scam designed to extract money from a foreigner. If this has happened to you, dump your girlfriend now as she has been complicit in the scam! She may have shared this money with her mama-san but even if she did not, she knew you were being scammed. What was her motivation you may ask? Face! How stupid, you may say! Why would she risk losing out on a chance of real love for a few baht or to boost her ego? She is Thai. They do not think too mush and even if they do, she will not expect a relationship to last so she may as well get something out of it while it lasts. It is a kind of special Thai fatalism. Bar-girls are not indentured slaves, they often have a contract and pay slips every month just as you do. If they choose to leave their employer, they do not have to pay for the privilege. The buy out scam is invented just for farangs.
Sin-sod is another scam. This one has it’s roots in Thai culture and like dowries up to the Victorian period in England is really and truly a thing of the past; a dusty relic brought into the light of day for occasional use. I asked at least fifty Thai men and women about sin-sod and the overwhelming opinion was that it can be used as a tool when a family do not want a man to marry their daughter. They will ask for too much and maybe put off the would be groom. it is used as a token and is sometimes returned to the groom and bride after a wedding has taken place.
In the context of a foreign man marrying a ladyboy it is a case of an aspect of Thai culture being subverted to extort money from a gullible farang. Where have I heard something like that before? This practice can be particularly divisive if the ladyboy in question pretends it is her parent’s decision/demands and that it has nothing to do with her. If she really loves you a ladyboy would tell her family to ‘go to hell’ if she thinks you are being exploited. Lots of Thai apologists (usually those who have been duped) will try to tell you that it’s normal practice. Believe them if it’s your pleasure. I certainly don’t.
I am lucky, my attempts at saving a whore failed and although at the time failing hurt like hell, I am glad I failed. If I had been successful in my repeated and futile attempts to persuade her away from a life of whoring I dread to imagine what kind of existence I would be living today. I also know that many ladyboys begin life in poverty and are just trying their best to take care of their family and make a better life . . . yaddaa yadda yadda! That may or may not be true but either way it will not matter to you if that long drop from the balcony begins to look inviting after a lying Thai hooker has stripped your assets. If you have not watched the terrific and gritty film, ‘My Thai Bride’ do so immediately.
My intention in writing is to impart a little ‘red-pill’ wisdom to the potential victims incurred by placing a whore on a pedestal, or pussy pedestalation. I have seen first hand, and heard stories or news reports about many more, foreign victims of Thai violence and blackmail. Enough is enough and in a country where you will not get any help from the authorities you should be aware of the danger you may be putting yourself in by forming a relationship based on money.
Don’t Become a Fish-Sauce Bump on the Veranda of the House you paid for in Nakhon Nowhere
Between my escape from the toxic relationship with Ms B and finding Annie I met a lot of other ladyboys and not once did money change hands. The advice I gave in a previous article about being a man with a plan is true. I decided that I would never pay for sex again because mixing money and sex is no way to begin a relationship. I wanted a relationship, not just sex.
At least 30% of the ladyboys I dated were full-time hookers and another 50% were part time hookers. I was very clear before meeting any ladyboy that I would not pay them for sex and that I was looking for a real girlfriend and that I live here in Thailand. If you don’t live in Thailand, save yourself the pain and doubt of a long distance relationship and especially save yourself from one with a hooker.
One of the full time hookers I met, a very famous one at that, would have made a great girlfriend. Why? Because I met her at the confluence of time, opportunity and HER readiness to quit the scene. But she was a singularity. She really was cut out of different cloth than most people I have ever met and I don’t mean just Thai hookers. Some people are like that. They are not afraid to go against the flow. The ladyboy in question did not spend more than 5 minutes doing her make-up. She did not spend hours looking in the mirror. I repeat, she did not spend hours looking in the mirror. She had her own money and never asked me for any. She was tough, beautiful and smart. She would have given up prostitution and could have turned her good business sense to any other money making operation and been successful. I spent lots of time with her up in Rachada once upon a time but our friendship, at least for me, became more important than sex. She taught me a lot about ladyboys and a lot about myself too. I cannot, therefore, agree with the maxim of never fall in love with a whore but the timing has to be right and you cannot be the one urging her to quit, ‘for you’.
Sadly, the exceptions that are ‘different’ also make it possible for the liars to be successful
The rest of the ladyboys I dated, excluding the 20% non-hookers were terrific girlfriends for about a week until they seemed to implode from all the bullshit and lies they told. It is easy to detect after a while. Late night phone calls, mysterious visits to the temple or to see friends that just don’t add up, tardiness, cold hands (a tell tale sign of yabba ingestion), evasiveness, the inabilty to have a straightforward conversation or make eye contact are all marks of the whore.
I was always disappointed that I caught them out relatively easily and there were times that I was hoping against hope that they were honest.
Ladyboy hookers can be and are often great in the sack, funny, good company, happy-go-lucky, attentive and loving but . . . the vivacious, sexy and charming Thai hooker you took back to your hotel every day for a week last time you were in Pattaya will not be able to keep it up forever because it is an act. A convincing one, but an act nevertheless.
They often do not have what it takes to be a girlfriend and once you have explored every sexual variance possible and had sex while she is dressed in every possible uniform, set of lingerie, shoes and gloves known to man, there may not be much else going for the partnership. The moment of implosion will, metaphorically, be like the advert below. Imagine the closing of the elevator door as the moment you step into the Departures lounge at Suvarnabhumi Airport and you might even laugh!
If you are already living here there will be no moment of release for your poor facsimile of a girlfriend and she will take herself out of the game, metaphorically speaking by one ridiculous act or another. The 20% non-hookers I dated were generally more honest but I just never ‘clicked’ with them. Karma? I knew they were not semi-whores because they were an architect, bank teller and a teacher with a proper workplace and no shades of grey in their career repertories. Dating a non-hooker does not, however, guarantee a successful relationship but it is a better starting point.
In a way both women and ladyboys but especially whores give us exactly what we want when they get some power over us. Fooling us in love is the only way a whore has, in Thailand at least, of redressing the balance of power in the customer/whore dynamic. We lose our power as the purchaser when we lose our reason and logic to ‘love’.
Something about love and misery is so attractive to many of us it is akin to the Greek principle of ‘Thanatos’. I have been stupidly in love twice in my life and both times I felt simultaneously ‘alive’ and desperately unhappy and self-destructive.
Normal women in the west use sex as a way of winning the power struggle but whores use love.
‘The candy everyone wants’ is a song that goes like this: ‘If lust and hate is the candy, if blood and love tastes so sweet, then we give ’em what they want. ‘
Although I got lucky when I met Annie, I also actually worked at finding someone I could trust. How? By filtering or sifting out the liars and pretenders. I met Annie AFTER she had made the decision herself to quit. A lucky confluence. She had already left that life when I met her. I believe that is crucial. I did not ask her to quit so she had no power over me. It’s also important that she decided herself that she did not want to be a hooker anymore. The whore ‘mentality’ can remain even when a whore is no longer a whore. It can be present even amongst women and ladyboys who have never been whores for real.
Annie and I meet a lot of couples here in Bangkok and often they are men with a ladyboy girlfriend. It can be disheartening. Both Annie and I are aware of the discrimination against ladyboys but frankly the ladyboy whores or ex-whores can make their own gender look terribly bad.
Ladyboys can be very controlling and demanding and men don’t often like confrontation or arguing and are too often consigned to the ranks of the legion of sorry men who placate their wives or girlfriends by surrendering their own will and freedom and giving in to her demands for more money for her family, gold, houses, handbags or heaven forbid some kind of phony marriage ceremony and sin sod. I have been there myself. I did not survive three marriages without recognising the signs or taking a few bullets along the way.
I heard a ladyboy who was being supported financially by her boyfriend tell him that he could not spend money on something he wanted because she wanted to buy something for her family! Now come on, we left that bullshit behind in Blighty or Oz! Although these things are not strictly speaking the sole domain of the whore I believe that the jealousy, craftiness and control attributed to Thai partners can be seen at it’s most extreme form in hookers and ex-hookers.
If you are willing to embark on a relationship with a whore there are some things you have to ask yourself. I wish someone had asked me these things four years ago:
- Can you live with her present?
If she is still working can you deal with her coming home to you smelling of another man’s semen? I speak bluntly because this is a serious issue. If you cannot shower with her and seeing bite marks on her neck not flinch, don’t even try to live with or love a hooker. It will kill you.
- Can you forget her past?
Once out of the ‘scene’ can you open the web and search for Ladyboys with an untroubled mind. Our lives are digitalised and for years to come some ladyboys will be stuck in a virtual bedroom sucking another man’s cock, licking his arse and being rammed by his enormous member. She will seem to be really enjoying it. Can you live with that? Maybe you are secure in your manhood but is it watertight? All your friends will know. Is she worth it? Really? Jing Lor? If you can, I salute you brother.
Do you trust her? Do you really believe her or only believe her because you are in too deep and have no choice. Do you care if she is unfaithful? Is it better ‘not to know?’ If I was back in England for six months I am not certain Annie would stay faithful no matter how much money I was sending and I trust her. It’s too much to ask that a young ladyboy become a monk and stay in her little room hugging a dolly and staring at a picture of you for two or three months at a time. I am sure many of us have met and been ‘entertained’ by ladyboys who claimed to have boyfriends at home in Sweden, France, Britain or Australia.
If you truly want a girlfriend then put your energy into finding someone who at least has the prospect of becoming the partner you want. Does that sound a little like a line from a modern day ‘Pygmalion’? In a way, it’s true that you will probably shape and mould your ladyboy girlfriend even is she has an education. She is likely to be younger than you and Thai education does not create or encourage free thinking and independence. Thailand is a collectivist society which is why your girlfriend will be influenced so strongly by what her friends do and say even if it is, in your opinion, stupid. You will find yourself guiding her. It can be rewarding but it can be tedious. She will probably listen to friends more than she does you in the early stages of a relationship as you are simply not Thai and so are deemed as being ignorant of her culture, such as it is.
Be patient, tolerant and appreciate the things she brings to the relationship. She may or may not be clever regardless of the level of her education but her cleverness is most likely to be an intuitive kind of intelligence. Annie once said to me, ‘I am so happy when I can make other people laugh’. I will take that as a sign of sensitivity, good humour, innate intelligence and wit any old day. It’s an old-fashioned idea in today’s overtly feminist/feminine world but you will be the boss in your relationship, or at least need to be when it comes to big decisions. Thai people are a little unwordly when it comes to . . well, the rest of the world.
You will argue and these arguments may be complicated by cultural misunderstandings although most of these are possibly smoke screens used by the little minx to get what she wants! Language can be a barrier to understanding. Just be patient and ask her to be the same with your poor Thai!
In my experience it does not pay to demonstrate the same kind of willingness or desire to ‘talk things out’ as we have been conditioned to do in the west. Thai men do not do this and Thai women have not been conditioned to view this as manly or useful. State clearly what you want or your position and leave it at that. If possible say nothing at all. This pretends a strength she will understand. Don’t shout as that demonstrates weakness and an inability to maintain control of your emotions.
Be really, really clear as if you are talking to a child but don’t patronise her, just understand that she will say she understands what you have told her even when this is not the truth. Culturally your girlfriend will have been conditioned to nod her head and agree with anything she hears from a teacher-type figure and like it or not, that’s what you have become. Use your status to your advantage. Be patient (a lot and often).
Any Ladyboy who cares about you will complain if you are drinking a lot. Alcohol can be a frightening subject for some Thai girls or ladyboys as many of their fathers may have been alcoholics or even have died because of drinking. It is the curse of the Isaan farming classes.
If you continue screwing hookers when you have a girlfriend be careful you don’t get your cock chopped off. Thai people have a limit that once reached is nuclear in it’s ferocity. Not a joke, a warning!
Jealousy is another major hurdle you will have to cross if you want a successful relationship with a Thai ladyboy. It’s possible that ladyboys are even more insecure than Thai women and consequently are more likely to be jealous toward any perceived threat to your relationship. I suggest you keep enough cash in a safe place to make a fast exit if your relationship goes south. Not a joke, a warning!
I also think that your privacy may become a thing of the past. The days of adding random, hot chicks on Facebook are probably gone forever. Emails, phones, SMS, all your social media sites will be checked and checked again for any signs of wavering on your part or aggressive take-overs on the part of any other ladyboys of girls.
On a serious note, it’s my opinion that you should keep passwords especially to online banking very secure and complex. I was advised recently by a good friend that not only can hackers compromise your economic health but girlfriends can too!
It could be argued that we foreigners are our own worst enemies. We behave in a way that no Thai man of our age would. Some male behaviour and appearance in Thailand would draw stares and censure in our home countries so imagine for a moment what ordinary Thai people think of us when they view that behaviour and what they regard as a marked lack of self respect.
That behaviour is, I feel I am correct in saying, a response to our lives in the west. Rules and societal codes of behaviour and dress have battered at our sense of freedom since we were young men and when arriving in Thailand we feel we have cast off the yoke and are finally able to ‘do whatever we want’, we have earned it’!
I agree in many respects and concur that having survived for fifty odd years and possibly been dutiful husbands, parents and breadwinners, we do deserve time to do exactly as we want and not what is expected of us by either women or society. We walk hand in hand with brown-skinned, ‘mai jamook’ (no nose) Isaan prostitutes and flaunt our sexual exploits.
Now, don’t misunderstand, Thai men screw hookers more than we do, but, they keep their behaviour out of the public eye. There are lots of brothels in areas you may never visit that cater to Thais and their sense of discretion.
But, if you are on holiday, why should you care what anyone thinks of you and by association all westerners?
Do as you wish, just don’t be upset when Thai people don’t show you the same respect and consideration as they would another Thai.
Even the most hardened, rude, violent ladyboy hooker will almost soil herself when confronted by a senior Thai man. I don’t mean a corrupt cop either but a (Jiaow Paw), a boss like father figure. Paw means ‘father’. This is because of the Thai culture of patronage and ‘buhn kuhn’; the act of indebtedness and favours owed in return for care and protection. If you think this sounds like something you would see written about the Cosa Nostra, you are correct but as well as being almost the basis for the Thai village headman and the mafia-like people that surround his power it is also the model for senior men in government, education and corporate positions throughout Thailand. In general, those men behave with poise, grace and respect.
In contrast, I have seen a Norwegian man of advanced years grab, fondle and ‘suck-face’ with a tiny Thai hooker on the street. The girls gathered at the front of the bar where the incident happened looked no more than seventeen or eighteen years old and the Norwegian mistook their cries and squeals for pleasure as he spun each of them around his head. He could not understand the names they were calling him. The display was utterly graceless. He didn’t care.
Thai people believe that a man should behave with dignity and tolerance toward those younger than him, not treat them as equals or behave sexually in public. The point being, if you want to enhance the status of a Thai ladyboy and receive her love and loyalty in return, don’t behave like a drunken sex tourist in public. Wait until you are behind closed doors to assault her! Your behaviour, however important it may be, is unlikely to guarantee success in a relationship. Your choice of the right partner is much more important.
The Deadly Family Ties that Bind
Had I ‘saved’ my ex-girlfriend from the temptations of Sukhumvit soi 4 I would have been bank rolling her parents, her divorced sister and her brothers and their families, forever! If you are currently doing this, I feel eternally sorry for you. I cannot over estimate the obligation Thai girls and ladyboys feel to take care of their families. Even regular Thai girls or ladyboys have an obligation to take care of their families. Ladyboys perhaps feel the sting of this obligation more than genetic girls because for many of them their childhood was a time when they may have felt that they disappointed their parents by taking the gendered path they chose. Or do they? Is it just a con to sponge money from a farang? Yes and No. It depends. Thai parents gain karmic credit or boon if their son enters a monastery and becomes ordained as a monk. Ladyboys can and sometimes do join a monastery for a spell but it becomes increasingly difficult for them to do this especially as they would have to shave their heads. Lots of ladyboys have supportive parents but many do not. A ladyboy’s obligation to ‘take care’ of their family is not necessarily dependent on the quality of parenting they received. When you enter a long-term relationship with a Thai you become responsible for her family unless she has a job herself.
A blissful life can be assured by marrying an orphan
Once again you must make a plan because you will almost certainly face this issue. You may find that your ladyboy’s parents are younger than you and yet you will be expected to support them to some degree! My criteria would go something like this: Who, why, how much, how long?
If her parents are not working, why not? Are they very old or sick? Why should you support her brothers who seem to sit around the village drinking whisky most of the time? Another reason to run for the hills if you begin to have feelings for a whore is that before you came along she was using her ill gotten gains to take care of her family. She will either have been earning a lot of money or she will tell you that she was. Either way you will get laced into a monthly stipend to replace her wages that will almost certainly be more than you want to pay. I give Annie’s grandmother, who is 86 years old, 2,000baht every month to help to buy food and necessities. That’s it. I made it clear that; first, if she needed help to pay medical bills etc, I will do so and second, that far from being my duty or obligation to help take care of her, it’s my choice.
Helping take care of an Isaan family is not a duty but a choice
The potential rewards of prostitution often tempt uneducated Thai ladyboys to leave the village or their home town and head to Bangkok or Pattaya. With few exceptions they know very little English and are likely to have left school between the age of 11 and 13 yrs old. Some have finished High school but many leave early so that they can earn money to help their families. The rural North-East is damned into poverty by the Thai feudal system of patronage and nepotism that crushes the poor, brown-skinned Isaan/Lao people underfoot mercilessly. In every village there are one or more girls or ladyboys who return from Bangkok and, true or not, tell tall tales about rich farangs and juicy pickings in Bangkok or Pattaya, breeding, as they do, the next generation of whores.
While most Thai people do not hate individual foreigners they hate us in the abstract. Imagine your own country invaded by tall, tanned, wealthy men who could afford as many hookers as they liked and lived in the places where you could only venture as a cleaner, security guard or taxi driver. Wouldn’t you hate them? Imagine those tall strangers flouting your culture and looking down on you while walking around with your countrywomen.
Of course there are a lot of very, very rich Thai people, but at least they are Thai and Thai cultural subservience keeps the poor Thais in check and respectful most of the time. But you, farang, are only a walking ATM, a body to be used, fleeced, drugged, robbed and sometimes disposed of. Even when you show respect and interact with Thai people as equals you may be tolerated and if you are lucky and smart a Thai ladyboy may well love you but just don’t ever doubt that in Thai eyes you and she will be the most reviled of creatures. You compound each others lowly place in the Thai heirarchy.
Ladyboys and Farangs are Outsiders
Your girlfriend and you are the targets of not only the police but also the work shy, drunken young men you encounter at every Thai festival from Khao Yai to Koh Tao and those words the Thai motorcycle taxi guys are shouting are not greetings, farang. Your girlfriend will never tell you what they are shouting; she knows the score and has learned to fear taxi drivers and their like, but you can guess can’t you farang? The police regularly target ladyboys even if they are not hookers and have little respect for them or for you.
Do you want to support an Isaan family forever and how much is too much?
This is a question for anyone who is in love with a poor Thai girl or ladyboy, not just hookers. This is not academic, this is a really, really tough choice and one you should make sooner rather than later. Lots of ladyboys and girls may not be full time hookers but are very adept at finding customers or meeting men whom they can manipulate into spending all their money . . .on her family.
I have been a close witness to a variety of men being duped by one ladyboy in particular. This ladyboy is not a hooker but in the last two years she has earned enough money from both Thai and foreign men to build a house, buy her father a 60,000 baht gold Buddhist medallion, an expensive pedigree dog and cover herself in gold jewellery. She has been invited to the United Kingdom, Finland and America, each time being refused a visa. The guys will never know how lucky they are. Finally she has found a guy who has taken her to Europe and lavished money on her. She once asked me if I think she is a bad person. I told her that she was playing a game with the hearts of these men. She tried telling me that she does it all for her family. Draw your own conclusions. Mine are that her family does not ‘need’ gold, cars or motorbikes.
Head in the clouds but feet on the ground.
I have spoken here about the mostly negative things that can happen when searching for your perfect girlfriend and it’s true that things will go wrong more than they will go right during that search. But that is only one side of this many faceted and beautiful country and that’s what makes visiting here a complex business and living here an almost impossible one.
You may have already met the smiling people who are generous and kind, and it’s not an act. They hold those virtues dear as they ‘tam buhn’.
Your girlfriend and maybe even her friends will come to appreciate and understand you beyond the superficial, who knows?
Both good and bad exist in any country and you will probably encounter the good more frequently than the bad. I have experienced infinitely more kindness, mysticism and compassion, not to mention love and some great adventures.
Remember, in Thailand the magical really can happen.
I’m confused (not disrespectful.) never been to Thailand but ladyboys seem very interesting. I don’t know, so I am asking. Do they go to doctors and have breasts added? Some of them look stacked! Also, do they keep their male “equipment” or do most of them go for an entire sex change, and how do you know without asking. In honesty, I don’t see much of a “bulge” in most ladyboy photos, that is why I wonder just what might develop if I meet a nice one. What’s “down there?”
Hi get3-Many ladyboys have breast implants done as it is inexpensive in Thailand. Some also have hip implant and bottom implants too. They sometimes have their Adams Apple shaved and their jawbone reduced. It is also common to see Thai people who have nose surgery to give them a bridge and look more western. When ladyboys take female hormones, which they often do from a very young age they grow small hormonal breasts naturally. Most ladyboys keep their ‘equipment’. It is a major event to have a sex change, risky and expensive. lots of young ladyboys dream about becoming female but later when they know themselves a little better they often feel happy to remain ‘intact’. The size and potency of the ‘equipment’ depends on nature and the function on the amount of female hormone they are currently taking. The more female hormone the less functional. Most ladyboys ‘tuck’ their package away most judiciously so it cannot be seen but free and ‘unfettered’ their package will be clearly visible, of course!
My girlfriend just grew cute natural little breasts from taking hormones, they’re very small but very sexy to me. And she still has a fully working cute little package. 🙂
Ha Ha glad to hear it Charlie!
David, I like what you have written and I have lived through these situations you described over the last 5 years.(but it really took that long and do not miss a minute or dollar I wasted) I enjoyed the fantasies to the max., 2-3 times a year for 2 to 4 weeks. Now, today it’s all boring and it has become harder to get exited. I was lucky earlier during my ladyboy addiction and met one which has left the game by now. She in particular paid greater attention to her future then all others I came across after. These type of ladyboy hookers are rare. I did not pay any attention to the language and knowingly ignored signs of culture. This trip I was bored shitless,…I tried to learn a little Thai and also drop the rate. As a result I have now less charming ladyboys hanging around me. The loving and caring actors starting to disappear one by one. When I get hold of some Thai phrases and respond verbal or show that I got the message its getting worse. The atmosphere is filled with distrust when they can’t joke around. The good thing with Ladyboys is that they check westerners out more thoroughly in many ways before they go to the hotel.The opposite I can say about the girls. They just act like spoiled kids. I never know what I get and how it ends with the girls.
Yes, ‘you know to mush’ is a phrase I have heard a few times!
I am really impressed with your knowledge and your directness.
I am skyping with the most beautiful ladyboy from Manila. She has fallen in love with me and I am scared to hell. What am I to do? I have no intention moving to Manila, but i conider visting her. I am more and more attached to her, but I think the best thing to do is to call the whole thing off. We exchange words of love. It is so frustrating and how will my family react. I am the most heterosexual man in the world. If I end the relationship now I think she will be completely devestated. I never want to hurt other people`s feelings. Please help me.
Hi Canute, I think you find yourself in a similar situation to lots of straight men. There are lots of insecure men ready to cry, ‘FAG’, or suchlike at the first sign of something a little difficult to cope with and we all carry this around with us and often allow it to affect our real lives. It’s your life, no one else’s. It’s a real life, not a prison cell.
You are not hurting anyone. But be careful, your biggest problem could turn out to be your own feelings.
I don’t know all ladyboys but I do know the territory. Remember that this ladyboy is poor even if she tells you otherwise. Her motivation is both economic and romantic . . .much like most women in the west! So, proceed with caution.
Travel to manila, have fun, put her through her paces, go through all the gears, slam her into reverse but be prepared to walk of the lot without buying (as they say) In other words, don’t commit yourself to anything romantic (engagements, blessings, weddings etc) or financial (buying expensive stuff like motorbikes, houses, gold) She is poor and you are not by default as you are a westerner and in her eyes and her family’s eyes you are rich.
Her culture is very different to Thai culture and i am no expert but I have heard that Phillipino’s are even bigger scam experts than Thais so beware. Like Thais they are so very good at making you believe they love you or at least have feelings for you that you won’t discover the truth until it’s too late.
Of course she may be a devout catholic which would mean that you won’t be getting any tail before marriage, right?
She may have a good family but they cost money and you could wind up bankrolling them all. She may be a hooker, how do you know for sure? Well, you will know if you visit. If she is one . . .don’t be ‘captain save a whore’. You can’t succeed.
On a more positive note she may be a simple country girl? Ask her where she comes from, if it’s not Manila, why is she there? (hooker alert)
You are far away from her filled with longing for a beautiful ladyboy . . .try to keep your feet on the ground though and don’t send money. If she asks for money (hooker alert)
If she is terrific and truly has feeling for you WHEN YOU ACTUALLY MEET how do you cope with her being a ladyboy and telling your family and friends?
Maybe you will never bring her to your own country? So what? You can go visit a few times a year and the long distance thing is ‘sweet sorrow’ always missing each other and wonderful holidays on sunny tropical islands. Could be worse?
Don’t worry about telling anyone close to you just yet . . .visit and experience her and the Phillipines first and see what happens. make no promises, don’t be persuaded into making promises or commitments, take your time, relax and enjoy the adventure!
You probably won’t remember me, my name is Paul Lucas from Sydney Australia.
I wrote to you on your website in September/October of 2014.
I thank you again for all your advice and assistance. I did travel to Thailand in December/January.
I must say that it was a great holiday and I really enjoyed it.
I did a lot of tours and experienced as much as I could.
A couple the tour guides noticed I was alone and even took me out afterwards to show me other parts and out to have a meal with their friends.
I am now in love with the Thai culture.
I did visit some bars & saw some shows, but I am really not a big drinker.
The first Ladyboy I met in Bangkok, we had no connection whatsoever.
I did enjoy meeting and chatting with some ladyboys in a couple of bars, I really enjoyed that social side of things, but I always knew in the back of my mind they are there for one thing and one thing only, to earn money.
I did go to Darkside as you recommended and decided it was time to see what it was actually like to be with a ladyboy. I ended up spending the night with a lovely girl. This is not something I am ashamed of, I did have to test the waters so to speak to see if it was something I could do, wanted to do, and see if I would enjoy it and if I wanted it more but with substance.
That done, now I know that sex is not a problem.
I then left Bangkok and headed off to Pattaya. First night there I head over to Sensations, meet Scott and have a chat. I stay for a couple of hours and some of his staff are so beautiful, but I resist the temptation. They are all so tall, and beautiful.
Anyway, just by accident when I was in Pattaya one of the places I visited was Na Jomtien Beach. Being Australian I love the beach and I really was not a fan of the beach in Pattaya.
A local told me I should try Na Jomtien, so I went down there on my 2nd day.
I got some thing to eat a drink from one of the beach Vendors, who just happen to be a ladyboy.
Amy and her Mum really looked after me, and boy can she cook.
I then proceeded to spend most of my days down at Na Jomtien Beach with Amy and her Mum. Before I knew it I was buying her mum beer, Amy would scream at her in Thai, “Mum Paul is not her to buy you beer” 5555 !
Amy would pick me up on her motor bike each day down on the main road at the 7/11 and drop me back there at night, making sure the taxi drivers did not rip me off.
There was an attraction between Amy & myself and all the other beach vendors could see it.
They would always greet me with big smiles and tease Amy, I did not know what they were saying but you learn to read between the lines.
At one stage there the Russians visiting her place thought I was Thai and called me over to take their orders 5555 !
So I ended up serving a few tables for Amy.
At the end of each day we would take a long walk along the beach at sunset.
Amy would ask me each day what I wanted for lunch the next day as she goes to the markets every morning. I would eat whatever she cooked anyway.
I would pay for my meals and drinks each day like any other customers, but Amy never asked me for any money on top of that, and till this very day she has never asked me to send her money.
It was very sad when I had to say good bye, Amy’s Mum gave me a big hug and kiss and told me in Thai (Please come back and visit us soon, you are a good man for my Amy) Mum had a tear in her eye, not sure if she would actually miss me or miss the fact I was not there to buy her beer each day 5555. Amy took me back to the main road for the final time we both had some tears and I remember the indian cab driver asking me in a smart way, “So you like ladyboys”
I turned to him and said ” What is your problem mate” ?
Anyway, Amy & I are very happy, we speak each day, miss each other very much.
We are now counting the weeks/days until I return to spend 4 weeks with her in January.
Now a lot of people will say she ain’t beautiful but for me she is great, has a beautiful heart and we have a wonderful connection.
I hope all is well with you and Annie and that you are getting better after your accident.
Once again thank you for your wonderful website and the advice you shared with me and many others.
If it was not for people like yourself and Scott then I would not have had the pleasure of meeting a person like Amy.
Your literature is easy to read but at the same time creates a lot of challenges and as I have found makes you think outside the square to what one really wants. Everyone is different and has different needs, and I think it’s great that you never sit in judgement of anyone.
I will let you know the next chapter in our lives following my next visit. I will also send you some more photos David.
Thanks again and I hope that one day I get the pleasure of meeting you and Annie in Bangkok one day.
Hi Paul, I remember you.
Great news. There are so many ladyboys around and not as some people think all engaged in prostitution.
Pleased to hear you found s gem. Hope to hear from you in the future and hear about how your relationship develops.
Just joined your website. Man, reading all that makes me not want to go to Thailand at all. It sounds fucked. But thanks for all the warnings, David.
I’ve been a subscriber to your YouTube channel for a few years now. It sucks about all the recent demonetization. You’re definitely not the only one. But do keep posting videos on there to help keep us informed. Just be mindful of what you upload. Youtube is hammering down hard on all types of people (even transwomen like Blaire White).
I might buy the Kindle version of “Bangkok Baby”. It sounds like an interesting read.
Cheers from California,
Although one needs to be aware, Thailand is a beautiful country with lovely people and you will be treated well. I would not live here if it was not a big improvement on the west.
Pretty incredible monopoly that Google and Youtube etc have and a lot too much control over free speech. Blair White just refuses to buy into the liberal bullshit. Like Thai ladyboys she has never pretended to be a “real woman” despite being an awful lot sexier than most of them!
I hope you enjoy Bangkok Baby, but the latest edition as it has 10 more chapters!
How difficult is it for Americans to navigate Thailand with the language barrier? Thais don’t speak English as very well (from what I’ve seen) and Americans don’t speak Thai at all. At least not this Americano. I feel if I went to Thailand, I’d get scammed left and right due to my ignorance of the Thai world.
You offer services as a tour guide, yes? Bangkok seems like that would be the place where I would meet the ladyboys you mostly described in this article. I mean, I’ve only been with one transsexual Mexican escort here in California. And her attitude sucked, which turned me off. So I really have no experience with transsexuals. I don’t want a girlfriend right now at all so I would mostly just want to boom boom boom a lot, as I’m severely lacking sexual experience. I’m currently working on getting my finances together. I’m 37 white male, fyi.
I hope I get to meet you some day. You and Annie are really cool people. Cheers.
Thai people are not generally scammers. In 10 years I only lost money once and it was just a few bucks. They will all try to talk with you and speak a little English, certainly enough to help you out. Thais are very kind on the whole and generous people so don’t worry about being scammed. I can certainly spend time steering you around and introducing you to some fantastic ladyboys.
I’ve greatly enjoyed your show and insights. I am corresponding with a Thai ladyboy who wants to enhance her breasts. do you or Annie have any recommendations. She is in Sara Buri. Any help is greatly appreciated.
Most ladyboys go to Dr Thep at Pratunam Polyclinic as it’s cheap but I would certainly not recommend it. It’s unhygenic and like a conveyor belt. Most good clinics of which there are several in Bangkok have a price range between 95,000 to 120,000 THB inclusive. This depends on size of the implant and style to suit her body type. Do you know Annie and I are independent agents for cosmetic surgery in Thailand? Annie usually takes care of Thai people and I liase and look after foreigners who come here for surgery. If you would like Annie can take care of her if she has the surgery in Bangkok. We work with several places the most suitable right now I think is a great clinic but more importantly a really good set of surgeons in central Bangkok. Annie can take her to visit and have consultations and look after her while she recovers. It costs you nothing. There are no hidden charges. Let me know if you want to talk some more. David
Yes, Filing’s LBs are bigger scammers than Thai LBs. Had 2 filipino lb gf and 2 Thai lb gf, one was more like a very good friend. Both filipinos scammed me though I was more wiser with the second one. The 2 Thais did not. They did ask for money but I said no and they were ‘ok’ with that.
The majority of Filipnos suffer from the ‘filipino disease’, greed. They are as bad, and I would say worse, than Western white women, or LBs, in wanting money, gifts etc. Greedy, greedy, selfish people who are also very good liars and know how to manipulate the heart strings very well. Some of the best liars and manipulators I have met in my life. Never trust them!
Good advice Mike